Winterton 'unites' against wind turbine scheme

“Poor WalterGulag , I must have upset you , Watch the blood pressure .”

“It's a wonder people like Englander61 don't get dizzy, one minute their complaining about the Nanny State,red tape,health and safety,smoking bans,the state of our town centres,vanishing pubs,lack of affordable housing, too much government interference, failing schools,break down of society,community and family values, broken Britian and the public sector and then the next minute when they get news of plans to build new schools,pubs,small or large businesses, windfarms, new housing,social entertainment venues,community projects etc within 10 miles of them or they are the first in line to object and protest. Demanding the government do this,that or the other to either ban it, or to impose tighter regulations to stop it ever happening again or to spend more money to repair it ( Of course they still don't believe they should pay or contribute to it in any shape or form)

I imagine in their perfect little world they would love Scunthorpe to be devoid of anything that might attract people to the area. Much prefering that everyone who wants to shop,drink,eat,dance, listen to live music, go to a theatre or see a movie or have anything resembling a social life would just go to some other town to do it and let them pay for it instead. And then complain that people have no sense of community anymore and blame 'Johnny Foreigner' for it all. Instead of what's really to blame their Apathy,Bigotry and Small Mindedness.”

“It's sad to see that the people supposedly in charge of my future, and others unfortunate enough to be my age or younger (thus unable to have a say in how our country is run), seem to be ignorant in matters such as energy consumption and global warming. As someone who has just turned 18 I can already feel the weight of the world on my shoulders and more importantly a desperate need to keep it together after your generation wreaks havoc and leaves mine to clean up your mess. I should hope that parents of North Lincolnshire and in fact across the country and globe would see that they should put aside their selfishness and do whatever they can to preserve their children's future. Or perhaps I am just naive to think that a parent would care more about their children than a windmill quietly spinning on the horizon...?

I should hope that my parents would care enough about me to make these sort of small sacrifices but important decisions to safeguard my future but also that of mankind. I don't think anyone here quite grasps the huge problem we're facing here, barely even an adult and I already feel I know more about this problem than all of you here because I will be the one living with it in a few decades time, after you've lived out your lovely lives just in time before everything crumbles. And it scares me. It really does.”

“Check this link out Winterton folks :

http://tinyurl.com/887w5ua

Then click on Best Rated. However, I suspect this won't silence "super-gob"!”

“@englander61
my dear chap, i'm delighted to learn that you have no affiliation to the BNP

nuclear power ISN'T cheap! You're not paying attention, I just told you that you could buy 2,400 wind-turbines for the same money that it would cost just to build the damn thing. It would take 10 years to even become operational, and the very large committment in the future to de-commission the plant and deal with the waste for tens of thousands of years is deftly passed onto our kids, and their kids and so forth.

Accountants, bankers and the like (including the 'masters of the universe' and the very same sort of people who have driven the world economy off the edge of a cliff) use a magical trick called 'discounting' to pretend that things paid for in the future matter less than things that have to be paid for now. They assume that someone is going to put money into a nice reliable bank (does anyone know of one of those? .. please tell me) where it will earn compound interest for thousands of years to pay for stuff that needs to be paid for in well .. thousands of years. Considering how much the world can change geo-politically in a decade, let alone thousands of years, this assumption is obvious tosh, and the contention that nuclear power is 'cheap' a monsterous lie propagated by vested interests and repeated by the gullible.

How many man-made structures have lasted 1,000 years? ok the pyramids .. and the pantheon in Rome .. and there's an old church in Barton! Imagine the mess if we'd been storing nuclear isotopes while we were being bombed in the war. Are you sure there aren't going to be any more wars?

I too love England and am proud to be English, and British. Current and recent governments have indeed brought us to a sorry state...

.. in my humble opinion, Gordon Brown has alot to answer for .. his lax regulation of the city was copied by the Americans whose bankers turned out to be even better at wrecking the financial system than our much-loved City boys in their nice blazers.

They even repealed a crucial bit of legislation, the Glass-Stegal act (thanks to some corrupt senators who lobbied for its repeal and later got big drinks from the banks) which separated high street banking from investment ('casino') banks, thinking that they were so very clever that this tiresome piece of legislation wasn't needed any more. Within less than a decade, they brought us to ruin!

They were able to point at the CIty and say "look at what the boys over there are getting away with!" .. the rest is history”

“In answer to MartinJDwyer are you aware we store nuclear waste from other country's at Sellafield repossessing plant in Cumbria , So we can have the danger of storing such waste but none of the benefits of such cheap power . Nuclear plants are normally built in remote areas away from towns . As for WalterGulag i am not the local BNP candidate but must say i do agree with some of their proposals which are more in the interest of the people more common sense than the present government and the one before that . I use the name Englander because i am proud to be English but ashamed of the British governments that have got our country into this sorry state. censoring the news not giving us the true facts making us the clowns of Europe. I rest my case.”

“Great picture of Dr John Robinson, I bet he's a steam rail enthusiast and drinks real ale.”

“@Mozart
see below

pardon me for cluttering up my arguments with too much technical information and assuming that the good people of North Lincolnshire might be interested in being acquainted with some facts for a change. Let's face it, journalists are rubbish at getting down to actual numbers (their idea of balance often, is to put up someone who knows what they're talking about against some 'maverick' who is invariably a complete nutter with a contrary but silly counter-argument) and politicians haven't the attention span to think beyond reacting to the latest scandal in the headlines e.g who has or has not been called a 'pleb'!

ok everyone .. let's have a vote. Click RED if you'd rather have a nuclear power station or GREEN if you'd rather have 2,400 wind turbines.”

“@ScunnyMike
I 'didn't bother' to respond last time to your contemptable suggestion that I somehow have a financial interest in the wind industry because other matters in my life warranted greater priority.

I can state for the record that I have absolutely no interest in the wind industry other than wishing to see our civilisation living in harmony with nature and not driven to near extinction by stupid, greedy or ignorant people (I refer here to world 'leaders', the CEO's of energy corporations and other truly vested interests, not the good people of North Lincolnshire)

I do believe wind power offers the sheer capacity to fulfil UK's energy needs and is the best option, long term for all the reasons I have set out in my previous posts.

I work for our wonderful NHS as a GP but before studying medicine I obtained a degree in theoretical physics. However, the calculations I used shouldn't be beyond the scope of anyone with GCSEs in physics and chemistry and maths. I have used verifiable facts drawn from a variety of reputable sources to make my arguments which I only seek to put before people as an option for our collective future.

Gryff Rees Jones recently stated on BBC's 'Question Time' that he was against wind farms because it would require 300 square miles of them to equal the output of one nuclear power station. This is, in actual fact, correct (assuming that the nuclear power station has an output power of 1.5GW). Personally though I would prefer to have 2,400 wind-turbines than the nuclear power station! 2,400 (on-shore) turbines would cost about £5 billion which is probably comparable with the construction cost of a nuclear plant (which would take 10 years to build) .. and hey! .. no nuclear waste to have to look after forever, or decommissioning to leave to future generations.

I've also demonstrated how the variability of wind farm output can be managed by converting much of the output to hydrogen by electrolysis of water. Combining hydrogen with CO2 (ultimately exracted from the atmosphere by 'Lackner' machines) to make methanol or methane could make it possible to construct a true zero-carbon society.

The extra 'kit' needed to extract CO2 from the atmosphere and make hydrogen would be about 2 PortaKabins in size for each wind turbine or perhaps could even be accomodated within the turbine towers. There are plenty of existing sites around UK which are currently occupied by smelly petro-chemical refining plant which could be diverted to synthesising methanol/methane instead. Shell have already demonstrated their expertise in synthesising all the outputs of the petro-chemical industry but using methane as feedstock (Qatar, GTL plant)

If anyone has a better plan, I would be delighted to see it but you'll need to show your working out.

For your further information, I am a member of North Lincolnshire Green Party, also Friends of the Earth and I support GreenPeace... an organisation of courageous individuals whom I greatly admire, willing to place themselves in danger to prevent wrong-doing all around the world.”

“MartinJDwyer has definitly got a vested interest in business as he puts forward too much technical information for his argument for the average pro-windmill lobby - I suppose it's a bit like the people who push solar panels? Last report I read the other day said it would take 30 years for investors to recoup their money on those.”